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    OK, been a subject around for a bit and always sure to get a healthy discussion. I call this one a Yatming...it is a known Yatming casting issued by Yatming with Yatming name on the base. However...

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    This particular one was sold as Road Champs. To my way of thinking, this is still a Yatming casting, regardless of what name is on the base. Imperial also used Yatming castings, and some of those Road Champs and Imperial issue Yatmings have the base modified to inscribe those names. I can't say at this moment that the Lambo Miura is one of these I mention, but I have seen various models with the base altered.

    In the wide world of diecast, particularly among the "no-name, generic" brands from Hong Kong and China, it is not at all uncommon for tools to float around between companies it would appear from the perspective of an "average joe" collector, though far more likely the tools stayed at one factory and multiple different companies paid to use those tools over the years.
    Last edited by jt3; 05-16-2020, 12:00 PM.
    The image file limits have been reset. We have over-limit warnings for the past 3 months and I've had to lower the image file limits. Upper limits now are 100,000 when we have some images that exceed 5,000,000. I know I've mentioned many times before, but it is very important to downsize images - doesn't matter if they are hosted elsewhere or here. I've set the pixels for no more than 1000 across the longest side, so if you resize to that all should be well. (The new limits are larger than what I typically use, and my images turn out just fine, so I know it shouldn't be a problem)

    Thank you for your understanding.

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    Just for the record, this is the base of this specific model.
    The image file limits have been reset. We have over-limit warnings for the past 3 months and I've had to lower the image file limits. Upper limits now are 100,000 when we have some images that exceed 5,000,000. I know I've mentioned many times before, but it is very important to downsize images - doesn't matter if they are hosted elsewhere or here. I've set the pixels for no more than 1000 across the longest side, so if you resize to that all should be well. (The new limits are larger than what I typically use, and my images turn out just fine, so I know it shouldn't be a problem)

    Thank you for your understanding.

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    • #3
      Sounds like a plausible scenario.

      I have several Yatming 1/64 scale semi tractor-trailer rigs (see Bert Beholds Big Rigs thread). The only reason I know they're Yatming is that they say so on the castings. NONE of them had that name on their packaging. Most were issued as "Road Champs" or some generic name.

      I also have rigs that don't have the Yatming name on the castings but are made from what is obviously the same tooling.

      "Kid, that all sounds more confusing than Hot Wheels."

      It can get complicated in the broader diecast world, Officer.
      Bert sez...
      "Wanna sell more?
      MAKE IT 1/64!!!"

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      • #4
        No Arguments from me jt3, I agree with all you've said.
        When placing them in the Database though, I place them under the name they are sold as (Obviously, if I have the package), but also include the info of the 'Original' manufacturer if known.
        A stand out example is 'Edocar' ..we know they do not make any cars themselves (All outsourced from various manufacturers), but, all the casting they sell have 'Edocar and also their own numbering system on the base & packaging'.
        I know others have placed these cars under the 'Real' manufacturer (Fine by me, No problem), but I also think it's Okay to list them as Edocar & give the 'Real' manufacturer references.
        It maybe confusing ...but that's the way it is.!

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        • #5
          There isn't a right way and wrong way, that is the trouble with classification. (By the way, this extends out into other fields - Linnaean or Cladist?, Lumper or Splitter?... )

          My preference is to look at the evolution of a casting. So even though the tooling may go from company to company, or at least appear to, the models stay significantly the same...what those of us afflicted with variationitis call variants.

          And to my way of thinking it is easier to look at the evolution of a casting in one place...which is where I politely differ and prefer to lump a maker like Edocar into the originating maker, with a general link pointed in that direction. comme ci comme ├ža.
          Last edited by jt3; 05-16-2020, 05:02 PM.
          The image file limits have been reset. We have over-limit warnings for the past 3 months and I've had to lower the image file limits. Upper limits now are 100,000 when we have some images that exceed 5,000,000. I know I've mentioned many times before, but it is very important to downsize images - doesn't matter if they are hosted elsewhere or here. I've set the pixels for no more than 1000 across the longest side, so if you resize to that all should be well. (The new limits are larger than what I typically use, and my images turn out just fine, so I know it shouldn't be a problem)

          Thank you for your understanding.

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          • #6
            I agree with you Wes that I consider this a Yatming first and a Road Champs second... but I have to disagree about referring to this simply as a "Miura". It is so much more than that. As the base tells us, this is a Lamborghini Jota.

            Simply referring to it as another Yatming Miura may also be confusing to people confuse it with Yatming's "other" Miura casting. That one is more common, does not have doors that open, and reflects what for lack of a better term would be the "base model" Miura.

            Most wouldn't say the Ferrari GTO EVO is just another 308GTB. Likewise, most wouldn't say the Jota is just another Miura. While clearly related, they are very different cars. The actual Jota was a one-off racing test mule that received extensive modifications. It was destroyed in a crash, though a few "tribute models" have been built since.

            It is remarkable that Yatming chose to do the Jota at all, considering A) It's rarity, and B) they already had a Miura casting.

            There is also an important casting variation of the Yatming Jota. It is wonderful and unique to this day, even as so many expensive models of the Miura and Jota have since been made by high-end companies like CM's, Kyosho Beads, and Tomica Limited. Not only do the doors of my Yatming Jota open. They open with the appropriate "wings" on the doors...

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            (That's a Miura, no "open doors" Jota photos available. This is my Yatming Jota

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            In my experience the Jota with the door wings is very hard to find, and is likely the original version that was modified early in production. It could have been a child safety issue, or perhaps just a production complication issue that forced the change. We'll probably never really know. I'm just happy to have this one in my collection.

            Reference:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambor...iura#P400_Jota

            https://www.sinicars.at/lamborghini_miura.htm

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            • #7
              I have to disagree about referring to this simply as a "Miura". It is so much more than that. As the base tells us, this is a Lamborghini Jota.
              Duly noted, I stand corrected.

              I knew there was a version out there with the (painful to step on in the dark I'm sure) window posts, but I wasn't certain of the maker. Thank you for fleshing that out!
              The image file limits have been reset. We have over-limit warnings for the past 3 months and I've had to lower the image file limits. Upper limits now are 100,000 when we have some images that exceed 5,000,000. I know I've mentioned many times before, but it is very important to downsize images - doesn't matter if they are hosted elsewhere or here. I've set the pixels for no more than 1000 across the longest side, so if you resize to that all should be well. (The new limits are larger than what I typically use, and my images turn out just fine, so I know it shouldn't be a problem)

              Thank you for your understanding.

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              • #8
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